Bulletin N° 1002
Subject:
Specialists and whistleblowers weigh in on the debate over ruling-class power and
democratic political controls.
September
21, 2021
Grenoble,
France
Dear Colleagues and Friends of CEIMSA,
Please
find below 5 items which reflect our condition in the midst of class
struggle against ruling-class hegemony and top-down capitalist control of
society.
Sincerely,
Francis McCollum Feeley
--
Professeur honoraire de l'Université Grenoble-Alpes
Ancien Directeur des
Researches
Université de Paris-Nanterre
Director of The Center for the Advanced Study
of American Institutions and Social Movements
(CEIMSA-in-Exile)
The University of California-San Diego
http://www.ceimsa.org
(1)
“EXPLOSIVE Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine
Technology” - Interview with Dr. Robert Malone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPKnOhJRYg
(1:14:50)
Published September 14, 2021.
(2)
“James Corbett Presents to the Corona
Investigative Committee” - Interview with James Corbett.
(1:02:39)
Published June 7, 2021.
(3)
Have you seen
this whistleblower report?
https://cairnsnews.org/2021/09/17/funeral-director-john-olooney-blows-the-whistle-on-covid/
Interviewed by Max Igan from The Crowhouse,
John O'Looney a funeral director in England with
credentials and experience over 15 years, exposes the government COVID-19 death
coverup since 2019 that will be amazed and astound
you what's going on duping the public big time.
(38:53)
Published September 17, 2021.
Our Rumble video link: https://rumble.com/vmlz42-funeral-director-john-olooney-blows-the-whistle-on-covid.html?mref=qnz9d&mc=6f8oi
best regards,
PW
(4)
“Propaganda?”
A caveat on the Covid-19
vaccine critique sent by L.C.
“Please
read https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/scary-reports-deaths-following-covid-19-vaccination-arent-what-they-seem for more information on this.”]
(5)
“COVID-19 is a Bioweapon?”
- Interview with Dr. Richard M. Fleming.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JaWiTYVnYB1W/
(1:07:50)
Published September 12, 2021.
The Transcript
https://www.flemingmethod.com/
"Is
COVID-19 a Bioweapon?"
(A Special
Interview with Dr. Richard M. Flemming)
by Dr. Joseph Mercola
(September 12,
2021)
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Welcome, everyone. Dr. Mercola,
helping you take control of your health in these crazy times and we've got an
incredible author and physician and scientist and researcher, Dr. Richard
Fleming, today, who's going to discuss with us his new book, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” that is an incredibly well-documented with
respect to the assertions and the history that many of us aren't aware of. I
mean, I knew that this was a bioweapon, well, that it
was an engineered virus, which is the first step, a gain-of-function virus this
year. But as Dr. Fleming will go into deeply, and this thing goes back not a
year or two, it goes back two decades, two decades, which is crazy, that
they've been working on it this long, and they finally brought it to fruition. So a lot of good information, and welcome and thank you for joining
us.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you for
the invitation.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So, I would think rather than me trying to
summarize your prolific career, why don't you give us a summary of your
expertise, because you're a physician, a researcher, a lawyer, an attorney. So,
you've got a lot of skill sets. A nuclear cardiologist, too, I believe.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Right.
Well, no, I'm originally a physicist. This is now, I think, year 53 for
research for me, and began very early in life, just [crosstalk 00:01:32].
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
What about three or four years old, or what?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, actually, seventh grade was when the
JFK administration's program kicked in and kind of-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Really?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, I did some of us out of our normal life
what we were doing.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Wow. What did you do in seventh grade?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, I apparently offended somebody enough
to be part of the program. Now, my area of aptitude, which we were being tested
on long before the seventh grade turns out to be physics and calculus was just
the mathematic language for that. But physics and particularly high-energy
particle physics and something that I find very fascinating, very interesting.
I eventually kind of wound up doing some of that later on in life as a nuclear
cardiologist, so it's kind of hard to get away from a field that you find very
fascinating and makes sense to you over the course of time. So, 53 years of
research in physics.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And in medicine, and as many people know, I
actually developed the inflammation in heart disease theory and presented it
American Heart [Association] in 1994. I joined American Heart [Association] in
1976 as the youngest faculty member at that time, and I got put in several
standing committees as a result. Basic and advanced cardiac life support as
well as the physician cluster education faculty. And I did a lot of the
research on dietary influences and factors that are critical, not only for in
the end, heart disease, but other chronic inflammatory diseases, be that cerebrovascular diseases or strokes, or diabetes, or cancer
for a wide variety of problems that I know you and probably many of your
listeners are aware of with the prior work that I know that you've talked
about. And then-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, I want to learn more about that. But I
want to add another credential to your list that you may not mention that I
think I'm really proud of you because it shows you're a man of integrity. And
that as a researcher, you were on the Editorial Review Board for The Lancet, and
you quit in protest of the horrendous article they published to disparage hydroxychloroquine and the fraudulent data that was
submitted by Surgisphere. So, thank you for doing
that.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, people either thought I was nuts or had
some credibility, I think when I did that. But yeah, really, I research, review
for something like 16, 17, 18 journals. And I'm editor on a couple and it just really, this is a violation of science. Scientific medical
journals are not political journals. They're not, I mean, we do have opinion
pieces, but those opinions are supposed to be in areas of science. They're not
supposed to be in areas of politics. And as a cardiologist, I point out to
people that this problem with hydroxychloroquine and
again, I don't classify any of these drugs.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
The research that I did for finding
treatments for SARS-CoV-2 and COVID had to do with the mechanisms of action or
how the drugs work, not what category you want to lump them into. I mean, every
drug works in more than one way and can be used for more than one purpose. And
I think that that's something that apparently the FDA has forgotten for the
physicians being able to use on off-label uses.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
But hydroxychloroquine
actually was actually problematic for heart rhythms. You've seen Anthony Fauci and a lot of other people coming up and saying,
"Oh, we got a case of
polymorphic ventricular tachydysrhythmia
or Torsades de pointe."
And you haven't seen that and the reason why you haven't seen it is because
nobody's reported an actual rhythm problem with hydroxychloroquine.
And that's kind of, what's the expression "egg on the face" for him.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
But yeah, I just couldn't continue. I
resigned from The Lancet. I resigned from British Medical Journal Open Quality
because of the same concerns that I saw going on. And, eventually we either
stand behind principles or we acquiesce and become nothing more than what the German
doctors of Nazi Germany did during World War II. And as history showed us, they
eventually paid a price at the Nuremberg trials. After the original Nuremberg
trials, there were both the doctors trials and the
jurist trials or the attorneys and judges trial.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, these are things that, there are people
powers that be that kind of think that they have things going their direction,
but it's very clear to me that they're not as confident that they've got
everybody under control. Because the way in which this is all
being handled demonstrates that they're more worried about the truth coming out
than not. And I think they're worried about the consequences and as
well, they should be.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, it's an effective strategy. There's no
question because I'm convinced now that part of their process is to get into
masked psychosis that people around and I mean,
they're doing with this propaganda. And part of the propaganda strategy is
massive censoring, which, thankfully, you chose to not participate in.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So that was, but this is a good segue,
because you mentioned the Nuremberg trials and how ultimately, the medical
professionals that were working with Hitler were prosecuted. So, what were your
motivations to write this book? And maybe we can dive into some of it because
it is just a fascinating illustration. You did a great job of doing the
documentation. I mean, some of it, I mean, it's really well-documented. You've
got all the patent numbers, all the details that you've reviewed the studies
that go back for two decades. So, why don't you tell us the story of what
brought it together and your connection to what you believe might have happened
to the equivalent 21st Century of Nuremberg?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Right, well, so as 2019 did the same thing to
me as it did the rest of you. It kind of changed my life and what I thought it
was going to be doing. I had developed, I'd spent a couple of decades
correcting errors in diagnostic imaging and developed something that I called
FMT VDM or it's now come, many people know as Fleming method. It's a way of
accurately measuring what's going on inside the body, so instead of giving you
a yes, you think you have a problem, no, you don't. It
actually measures what's going on inside the body.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
And what does that tool or assay primarily
target? What type of clinical conditions?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, actually everything, the entire health
spectrum. And that's one of the things that I've encouraged people to think of
this as a health spectrum. So, it began with my investigation into heart
disease, and then it evolved into cancers, and then infections like SARS-CoV-2.
So, by using Fleming method, what we measure is, first off, we calibrate the camera,
so they can accurately work because they're not accurately calibrated right now
for quantification or measurement. And then it can distinguish dead from normal
living from inflammation and infection to pre-cancers to cancers. And then
coronary artery disease isn't really what people think it is.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
What type of cameras are these? Infrared
cameras or?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
No, so these are nuclear imaging cameras.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Nuclear?
Okay.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, they could be plain or SPECT
(single-photon emission computed tomography). They could be PET (positron
emission tomography). So, I'm one of three actually certified in PET imaging
and the only American. There's a lot of people who do it, but they're not actually
certified in the way that they should be. And then, Yoshida is in Japan and
Schneider is in Switzerland, and I'm here in the U.S., Dallas, in particular.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, it measures regional blood flow and
metabolic differences and that allows us to determine what's going on in
tissue. And then heart disease is the inability of the artery to relax to
increase blood flow and that requires an equation that I developed a number of
years ago, a proprietary equation to measure that. So, this test allows us to
actually do a body image scan measurement of what's going on. And there are
areas that you can define as inflammatory or infectious processes and what that
allowed me to do was to say, "Well, what are the treatments for this? And
let's set up a study."
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, part of what I did at the beginning of
2020, was to do an exhaustive review. As a Fleming, I was hoping I didn't have
to go into infectious disease like Sir Alexander Fleming did, but I kind of got
dragged into it. And I really just did a literature review, which included
about 300 to 400 papers of all sorts of different viral strategies, different
viruses, whether that be Zika virus or HIV or any of
a number of things. And to really look at how they
reproduced themselves, what drugs might do what. And then I laid out a series
of strategies, both for people as outpatients who might have been infected with
SARS-CoV-2, the virus, and for people who get hospitalized with this inflammothrombotic response disease that I talked about
first in 1994, the inflammation in
heart
disease. But it's an inflammothrombotic response,
where I also pointed out that bacteria and viruses
cause this, it's one of the reasons.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And so, I had the tool for measuring it and
it was simply a matter of putting together a strategy. And so, I set up the
study in seven other countries, 23 different sites with 1,800 people and we
actually measured what worked and what didn't work over the time that the
patients are in the hospital and pre-hospital-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
These, you measured clinical interventions?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
What we actually did above and beyond
clinical interventions, we measured something much more important, which is
what's happening at the tissue level, which is what Fleming method allows us to
do. So, you can every three days measure whether a drug is working or not at
the tissue level, and how the infection and inflammation is responding. And
what that allowed us to do was every three days for the people who came in the
hospital with COVID, they would have Fleming method and a variety of other
tests, and they would randomly be assigned to one of 10 treatment strategies.
And then three days later, that would be repeated and if they got substantially
better by definition, then they were kept on that treatment. If they get
substantially worse, the treatment was stopped and another treatment randomly
assigned. And if in fact they didn't get better or worse, they kind of held
their own, then another treatment was randomly added
to that.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And so, those 10 treatments became 52
different treatment combinations. And so, the study got divided into two parts,
so a Phase 1 and a Phase 2. Phase 1 was really sorting out what drugs work and
what combinations and then Phase 2 was taking those combinations that have
proven themselves and actually then applied them right up front. So, over the
course of that study, we saw hospitalizations go from five to six weeks down to
one to two weeks with turn around. And we were very specific in how the
ventilators were supposed to be used because they're being used incorrectly.
And we've known that the incorrectly is just nobody seems to be reading the
papers.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So on the website, FlemingMethod.com, one
of the categories are published papers, and there's over 160 papers now on that
site for people to look at the EUA (emergency use authorization) documents of
the vaccines. How different drugs may treat these viruses. What do the vaccines
do? Just do the genetic sequences of the drug vaccines actually get into human
DNA? That type of thing. So, instead of asking opinions, because there's enough people giving enough opinions, my area is
science. I'm a research scientist physician and I'm adamant that you kind of
have to come up to speed and present a scientific proof of what you're talking
about. And sometimes that means I'm not going to be first, but I'm going to be
right or at least as right as humans can be with our science. So, that was kind
of the goal.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And then in the process of doing that
research, I simply dug more and more and more and investigated what was going
on and that led me into the background of the research that many of these
people had been doing. The millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars
that had been funneled out of the U.S. and Anthony Fauci
has helped with that. I mean, he's been on those
committees. You can see it in the book. You can see the grant numbers in the
book. You can see the gain-of-function, which is the research that tries to
look at viruses or other infections. But in this case, viruses to say,
"Well, if we could make the virus just a little more infective, maybe we
could stay ahead of it." And that theoretically, sounds really good and I
think as a research scientist is good.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Unfortunately, the question becomes, “What
happens when people go beyond the really good things or what happens when
people start doing things that maybe have some nefarious motives?” And that's
kind of what you see happening. You see real efforts to produce viruses, coronaviruses, in particular. Spiked proteins of coronaviruses to be even more specific, as I show in the
book, paid for by the federal government by people who say that, "No,
we’re not involved in gain-of-function research. Well, their fingerprints are
on the documents or on the published papers or on the grants or on the patents.
You can't say that you're not involved in things when the documents show
differently.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And it shows the work that came out of the
federal government that went to Peter Daszak, Ph.D.,
at Eco Health, that went to Ralph Baric, Ph.D., at the University of North
Carolina, Shi Zhengli, Ph.D., at the Wuhan Institute
of Virology, and other places. I mean, these aren't the only places involved,
but there's certainly, big names that are involved in
the process. And for me, as a researcher, obviously, once I start to
investigate something about the only way you can stop me from doing that is to
put a bullet in my head. And otherwise, I'm going to stay after it. And one
thing led to another and we have been actively following this investigation.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
There are things obviously that are not in
the book that are going to come out at international court that I'm saving for
that, for the International Criminal Court because this virus is, by
definition, a biological weapon. It violates the Biological Weapons Convention
treaty. You just have to look at the definitions. It provides nothing useful to
humanity. It's dangerous. When Fort Detrick is
involved and the Department of Defense is involved and these guys aren't
working with the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. And you see these monies and
you see the people who are involved, you realize that, as I put it to people,
the United States was playing China, China was playing the United States, and
you saw who got caught in between, and they're still playing the game.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And it's, for lack of a better term, this
book is an indictment. And that's now my attorney hat going on saying that I
have provided in this book [inaudible 00:17:07] of evidence that I would take
to a grand jury and say, "Ladies and gentlemen, a blind person, if needed,
we could put it in
[inaudible 00:17:17]
what's going on. And only if you choose not to do this, can it be
ignored." But I'm not somebody who is going to give up on having these
people dealt with because all the freedoms that we have, and the rights that we
have as individuals, not to mention just the numbers of people who have died.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And my argument is, if they got the virus,
and they died with these diseases, they did die from the virus. The reason why
they died is because they didn't get treatment for the inflammation and the
blood clotting that I've shown works and other people, other doctors have shown
that they have data that they believe works, right? And the ultimate argument
is that you can't kill somebody more than dead, so if they don't have the
measured data, which I think that they should have, and I would help them if
they wanted. What we do know is that they can't do worse than kill the patient.
And we've already seen what doing nothing does. It kills the patient.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
At no other time in American history have
doctors looked at patients and said, "We can't do anything for you. Go
home and come back when you get sicker." And we have always treated people
with breathing problems with medications for breathing. We've always treated
people with clotting problems with medicines to stop the clotting. And so, the
reason why this is so critical to understand is because the same people who
were involved in the funding of this bioweapon are
the same people who have interfered with doctors providing treatment to
patients, are the same people who have been involved in the development of
these vaccines. And once you appreciate and it's up to you, the reader, “Is
COVID-19, a Bioweapon? The Scientific and Forensic
Investigation,” it's up to the reader to decide, is it a bioweapon?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
But if you come to that conclusion and I
think you will, then you have to recognize that the vaccines that are nothing
more than the genetic reproduction of that bioweapon
is a bioweapon. And now, what you see is the same
people who made the weapon blocking treatment and disseminating more the weapon
producing harm. And right now, the Delta variant is a classic example of
pressurization, of selective pressurization of this virus to go that pathway
because natural immunity gets you immunity to the spike protein, to the nucleocapsid, to the rest of the components of the virus
and if you only target the spike protein, and that spike protein changes then
the idea of a drug vaccine biologic is just laughable because it won't work.
It's going to be too different from what you expose the body to, and it's not
going to recognize it.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, we have taken this mass forced
vaccination of a bioweapon, we have not provided
informed consent because if you look at the package inserts, they're blank,
intentionally blank. I've shown that at Event 2021, and other people have shown
it. So, there is no informed consent for physicians to provide. So, if you're
injecting someone with these drug vaccine biologics, you are injecting them
with something that you cannot possibly give them informed consent for, which
means you're violating your Hippocratic Oath, you're violating the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights Treaty, you're violating
the Nuremberg Code, you're violating the
Declaration of Helsinki. It's right across the board. It's not even something
that you can pretend doesn't happen anymore. It's just in everybody's faces.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And you can see that the powers that be are
so stressed out right now that they are cajoling and coercing and manipulating
and attacking. And in Italy, my friends in Italy, tell
me that the behavior of the Italians from people feeling stressed, the
vaccinated people are behaving in the same way that they did during World War
II towards the Jews and the intellectuals. And let's remember, the first people
that Hitler put in concentration camps weren't the Jews. The first people were
the intellectuals because if you take the intellectuals and the doctors off the
street, if you stop people from talking, you can control the people.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, the pressure being put on the medical
community in this country, in Italy, in other countries around the world to
simply go along is nothing more than the equivalent of what Adolf Hitler did
and the SS did during World War II when they rounded up the intellectuals. And
it's just one will lead to the next and there's nothing about this that has
been a successful campaign to control an infectious virus and a manmade one at
that.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, well, that's a lot of information. So,
I would suggest that it's a bit different than what Hitler did because that was
a while ago. We're talking 70, 80 years ago. So we've gotten
much more sophisticated technologically, and the propaganda campaign is
exponentially, exponentially more effective. So it's much easier to
control the population through propaganda than it is through carting them off
in trains and putting them to the concentration camps. So, I'm wondering what
your thoughts are on the equivalent of this vaccine. I mean, many people are
calling it the “kill shot” with respect to the equivalent of essentially
getting people and putting them on the trains and sending them to the camps.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, the answer to that question is, all you
have to do is read the Emergency Use Authorization documents. And I'm just
stunned at how many people have not read this. I'm stunned at physicians not
having read this. I mean, I thought we always read the package insert or at
least read the Emergency Use Authorization documents. And when you do that and
you can go to FlemingMethod.com. I've got several presentations on there, PDFs, you can download, where I've done this. And you read
the Emergency Use Authorization documents and you take the data out of those
documents and you ask very fundamental scientific questions.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Is there any statistical difference in the
people, in the number of people who developed COVID or who die and the people
who are vaccinated versus those who are not vaccinated? And you come to a very
definite conclusion. There is no statistical difference in the two groups. The
vaccines do not statistically reduce. There are fewer cases, but not
statistically.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And nobody in their right mind, I think,
who's a physician would walk up to somebody and say, "Mrs. Jones, Mr.
Jones, I have this drug that I want to give you to prevent you from getting
heart disease. Now, it won't do anything more than a sugar pill, but I want you
to take it." Physicians wouldn't prescribe that. And patients I think, if
they fully listen to the statement, wouldn't take it. They would go,
"Well, why would I take something that's going to have no better outcome
for me than doing nothing, right?"
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, you look at that and then you look at the
fact that there are side effects, right? There are side effects. There's
inflammation and blood clotting, like I've talked about and we're seeing it
because when you look at these vaccines, and you look at Pfizer and Moderna and you look at how many mRNA are in there, it's
about 13.1 billion, right? And you look at the double-stranded DNA with
AstraZeneca and Janssen, which is what people call Johnson & Johnson, and
that's 50 billion. So, after doing-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Are you sure?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Excuse me for the interruption because some
others are saying it's 40 trillion and I'm wondering where they come up with
that number. I've seen that 40 trillion referenced a few times now, but you're
saying 13 billion? I mean, they're both huge numbers, but [crosstalk 00:25:49].
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Right, so yeah, it is. Well, there are
actually equations that you can use and I've put those references on the
website as well. But you can actually go calculate based upon the size of the
molecules and the size of what you're putting in how many versions you're
getting at it, so that's where those-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay, so 13 billion.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah. It's 13.1 billion for the mRNA and 50
billion for the double-stranded DNA. So, here's the thing, when you have a
person transferring from person-to-person the actual virus, even though it's a
gain-of-function manmade virus, they're getting hundreds, thousands, I don't
know, let's be generous and say 10,000? Okay?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, every one of those has to attach to a
cell and they put in one genetic code sequence. Now, you give vaccines, so what
happened was the people with the comorbidities, they
already had heart disease and high blood pressure. They died, because they
already had inflammation and blood clotting going on and this just made it
worse. And unfortunately, nobody treated them for the inflammation and the
blood clotting. Have they done that, I would argue that these people would
still be alive. In fact, our study showed 99.83% success, which means maybe we
had lost 20,000 people in the U.S., which is still a fair number of people, don't get me wrong. It's just not over 600,000, right? We
lost three people in this study and those three people I still think about
every day, because they're three people that we lost.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, you get that type of phenomenon and what
you see is person-to-person only has problems if you have underlying diseases
that don't get treated. Now, what you take is you mass vaccinate the population
and you have people who are healthy. And that's what we're seeing, healthy
people having reactions. Why are they having reactions? Because
they're healthy. They're getting inundated with billions of genetic
sequences making spike proteins that don't stay at the site of injection. We
know Moderna did a study that we published, that's on
the website, that Moderna published using lipid nanoparticle vaccines for influenza and they published it
in 2017. And the animal models show that the lipid nanoparticles
didn't stay at the site of injection. They were in the brain, the bone marrow,
the liver, the spleen, every part of the body.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, for people to come up now and say,
"Gosh, golly, gee whiz, we just didn't expect that" is a little
disingenuous. And I think you kind of have to ask yourself the question, “Why
does the cardiologist know about the 2017 paper, but the people responsible for
the technology claim that they don't?” And so, what you see are normal healthy
people responding to a massive production of spike proteins and those people
should, healthy people should make a massive immune response. And what does
that immune response do? It produces inflammation and blood clotting, and then
the spike proteins go across the blood-brain barrier and
causes prion diseases just like what's been
shown in the humanized mice and the Rhesus Macaque models.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Now, I'm willing to bet that the people who
made this gain-of-function virus I already knew that because retrospectively,
one of the things that I discovered, one of the things that had the government
coming after me early on and Big Pharma coming after
me in the 1990s, in the early 2000s, was the fact that the research that I was
doing in dietary and inflammatory disease has the same neuro-5-AC raft receptor
that the glycoprotein 120 of HIV that Shi Zhengli put
in, in 2004, attaches to. So, the people that were doing this were paralleling
my research, except stupid me, I was just focusing, I thought on something
really good, inflammation and heart disease and that type of thing. But it
turns out that that information is critical for getting this virus to be able
to attach and to infect people like it's doing.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, it's interesting how you can be minding
your own business and doing really good research and trying to answer some
questions and it might just expose the people that are doing nefarious things,
but it's very clear. And the question that the book asked is, "Is COVID-19
a bioweapon?" And the data is extremely,
painfully clear. The next question is, "What are we going to do about
it?" And I think the answer is very clear. Unless you think — these people
did not develop this and stop. This is not the first go round. In fact, Li-Meng Yan points out very clearly that her work over in
China that she knew very clearly that SARS-CoV-1 was the first bioweapon.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And one thing that's pointed out in the book
is that in 2006, the Chinese published a paper where they did a
gain-of-function virus that they combined four viruses in, in 2006. Those
viruses were HIV, hepatitis C virus, SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 and they labeled
it that way. They labeled it that way. So in 2006, they had this, they were working
on it.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Is it Baric in North Carolina?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
No. That was another group of researchers out
of China, so the Chinese were putting this together. This was, so when I say
that, more than Baric and Shi Zhengli, I mean,
there's evidence to show that a number of countries were involved. It's just
that the U.S. and China managed to excel at this. And I got a job offer the
other day to try to recruit me to be the physicist imaging specialist for an
NIAID (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) project on
viruses at Fort Detrick.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Nice.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, yeah. When I got those email requests, I thought, "You
have got to be kidding. Do you know who I am?" I mean, you know what I mean?
This is a nice example of people looking out there for the right people with
the right type of training to do things. But not asking that fundamental
question of, “What are the ethics of these people?”
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, well, that will be one of the major
factors contributing to their ultimate downfall. I want to go back to a point
you mentioned earlier with respect to the individuals having to decide about
taking this COVID injection. I hesitate to call [it] a vaccine, because it
really isn't by any definition, strict definition. Assumed that if the average
individual knew that there was just no statistical difference and it was
essentially a placebo why would they take it?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, there are external factors that can
contribute to that. I mean, certainly, when people, many people have been in
communities where they could have been part of a lottery, win $1 million to $5
million is one. And then the others, I mean, I think Biden administration is
now considering, maybe it's implemented by the time this interview airs is $100
if you get the vaccine. But even more importantly, it's mandatory for large
segments of the population. And even though, and I'd like your comments on
this, because in my mind, that is an absolute distortion of law, the rule of
law because there's no way this could be mandatory. It's an absolute violation
of First Amendment principles for the freedom of choice.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So, because like every government employee is
now mandated to get it and I think they're the biggest employer in the country
and large corporations, Facebook. CNN showed a nice
little attack on me recently. They just fired four people who came to work who
weren't vaccinated. And there are many large companies who are getting away
with it and other than the justification that it's illegal to do. So, many of
these people don't have that freedom of choice. They just, they literally
don't. I mean, if they want to participate in society as they normally did.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Right.
Well, to begin with, I would argue there's several legal violations that are
going on here and-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah, but please expand. There's not many more people qualified than you to address
this.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, the biggest problem
are all the private industries because the Constitution of the United
States doesn't apply to private corporations, right? The Constitution of the
United States applies to a contract or a compact actually, between the states
and the federal government, but it's important to note that the federal
government, in this compact that we call the U.S. Constitution is actually
subservient to the states. The states are not subservient to the Federal
government.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And so, the states have the power and the
authority to determine what happens. And anything that's
public and cannot coerce people to do that. Now, how do we know that?
Well, because Article III of the U.S. Constitution states that interpretation
of what's constitutional is or not, is the right of the Supreme Court and the
Supreme Court has already ruled that there are personal privileges and
liberties that people have including sex, health care and family. And all you
need to do to prove that, as far as the Supreme Court is concerned, is you need
history, custom and tradition, which we have in this country.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
We have a history of patients being treated
by their doctors and not coercing people to be vaccinated with experimental
research. We have a history of doctors using off-label drug use,
which
raises the question about how the federal government is violating the ability
of physicians to practice medicine. We have a government, custom of the
government not interfering with this doctor-patient relationship. We have
several Supreme Court cases in which the Supreme Court has ruled that people
have the right to health care as they wanted.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Rochin
versus California had to do with an individual who was forced to undergo emetic
medications to force him to vomit, to bring up things in his stomach that the
Supreme Court said, "You do not have a right to force this medication on
people." Griswold versus Connecticut showed that the U.S. government
cannot take away the personal rights of healthcare in individuals unless
there's some type of compelling and substantial reason and then it has to be
put into law. It can't come out of the executive branch. Cruzan versus Director
of Missouri Department of Health in 1990, specifically
stated that patients have a right to refuse any treatment. You cannot force
treatment on people.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, this is forced treatment. This is
coerced treatment. And Doe v. Rumsfeld proved in 2004 that investigational
drugs could not be forced upon people unless there is a presidential waiver or
informed consent. Well, here's the kicker on presidential waiver, which is what
they're going to go to.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Is that the justification they're using to
make this happen?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, yeah, so here's the thing. Anybody who
takes an oath of office, the President of the United States, senators,
representatives to Congress, governors, police officers, judges, lawyers,
administrative officials, anybody who takes that oath cannot violate the U.S.
Constitution. If they do, they've committed treason, by definition. In the U.S.
Constitution, it states that Treaty Law and the Constitution and statutes are
the supreme law of the land. The International Covenant on Civil and Political
Rights specifically states that you cannot force people to take a drug that
they have to have informed consent, and that animal research has to have been
done beforehand to prove it's safe. So, if a President including this one, issues an order that this is a mandate and required,
then he is violating the U.S. Constitution by violating Treaty and therefore
has committed treason.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It's an impeachable offense.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
It's not only impeachable offense,
it is punishable by death because that's treason. You can't force U.S. citizens
to undergo forced experimentation. And you can't get around that by doing
something cute like having the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) say,
"Whoa. Well, we've now approved it, okay?" Because the Supreme Court
has already ruled that you cannot force people to take a treatment and the only
party that can change that is the Supreme Court. And that
would
require a court case taken to the Supreme Court where they said, "Well, we
were wrong before."
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Has that ever happened? It's happened once in
the history of this Supreme Court only once, only once. The Supreme Court is
not going to turn around at this point in time and tell American citizens that
you must be vaccinated. Because you can see right now the vaccines are showing
for themselves, the problem is, is there's this
increase in Delta variant, right?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
But what about Biden packing the Supreme
Court, an issue that he failed and refused to comment on prior to his election
or that but appears to be at least as far as I've read, that that's his
intention at this point. You're going to put a number of other justices on
there to essentially totally unbalance the design of the whole system that
forefathers have.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, here's the obligation of the people
that the forefathers expressed. You have an obligation to stand up and do
what's right. If the people, if the elected individuals, which
don't, the government does not tell the citizens what to do. The citizens tell
the government what to do. The elected officials are elected and put there by
the people. The government doesn't put the people here. The people have a right
to tell this government what it can and cannot do.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And that's one of the reasons why you want to
silence the scientists and the doctors. If you can coerce them, so they will
not talk to the people, if you will separate the people, if you will quarantine
the people. We've never quarantined the healthy before. In the history of
mankind, you don't quarantine the healthy. You quarantine the sick, which,
gosh, my parents did that, right? “You're sick, you're staying home from
school, you're not spreading this to others,” right? That's what common sense
intelligent people do. If you're sick, you don't go out in society and cough
and sneeze on people. You're not going to get better as a result, you're only
going to make other people sick, but you don't quarantine the healthy.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
There's also data that shows that natural
immunity provides the memory cells to this virus just like it does anything
else and it provides it independent upon how severe the infection was. All
these vaccines do and they're drug vaccine biologics. They're designed to elicit
an immune response, okay? And they're playing this game. All they do, and
people don't understand this either, they do not prevent you from getting
infected and they do not prevent you from spreading the infection. What they do
is because you've been exposed to it, in this case, the spike protein, you will
form an immune response to it. And then when you become infected, for real, it
will shorten the amount of time it takes you to respond to it, so your symptoms
will be less.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well guess what? Advil, Motrin, Aleve,
ibuprofen, aspirin, all do the same thing and it didn't cost us billions and
trillions of dollars to do and it didn't violate your rights. You get to go
decide if you want to take those medications or not. So, a lot of-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Even though they may be associated with some
risk. I mean, there's
many professionals-
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, look.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
-who are now recommending anti-inflammatories in COVID.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, that's-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I mean, with the exception of severe disease
and you have drugs like budesonide and methylprednisolone.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, there's- so you could- yeah, you could
use [crosstalk 00:47:32].
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
But, let's get back to your original argument
because it's really good. You laid a strong argument, legal case for not having
mandatory vaccinations, even though it appears that large segments of the
population are undergoing that right now. So, even though you've laid out the
case, how do we prevent this? Is there a revolution coming up or is it legal
suits that need to be followed? What's the process?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, so more than one thing, obviously. On the website, on FlemingMethod.com, you can go, there
are exemptions. I've already put together a format exemption that covers
medical, legal, religious and constitutional rights that people have. You're
welcome to go there. Download the PDF. Add your medical information in there,
your name, the people involved and send it into the people. That's first step.
Okay? Taking action, not roll it-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Where do they send this form? Where do they
send the form to?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, they send it to whoever is mandating
that they take the vaccine, right?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay. Giving them notice.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, if your employers do – huh?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Even in most, even federal employees can do
that?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. And this is where I got to the place that the
President would have to actually issue a waiver on what the Supreme Court has
already done under Doe v. Rumsfeld. And doing so then violates the
Constitution, which makes it an impeachable offense because he's violated his
oath. So that's one thing. The second thing is for people to-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Before a second thing, is that Doe v.
Rumsfeld, Donald Rumsfeld?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I think so, yeah.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah. Interesting.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I'd have to go back and look at it. I'm not
[crosstalk 00:44:03].
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
It had to do with the administration of the
investigational drugs to military personnel.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, it probably was. All
right. Sorry for the interruption.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah. No, that's all right.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
He was Secretary of Defense, so.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
The other thing is to take legal action. So,
I'm working with a number of attorneys to file suits in this country. I will
also tell you that I am one of the experts in the International Court and
Italian courts right now for suits being filed for crimes against humanity. So,
the bottom line answer to this is going to be everybody deciding that they need
to take action and they need to be held accountable. Yes, this may mean you
lose your job.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay, so they can fire you for this?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, look. The Founding Fathers knew this.
If you read through the Declaration of Independence they dedicated their lives,
their prosperity, their sacred honor to each other.
And every one of them was gone after by the system, by the king, but they
stayed with it because they did what was right. And you have to look at this,
at this point in time and say what type of world are you leaving your children
and your grandchildren? This is never about you. This is never about me. This
is about the children and the grandchildren. And whatever we leave them,
they're going to essentially be stuck with it. If we abandon them and the
founding fathers did not abandon us, then we are responsible for allowing this
to happen. It's on us, so there's no easy way.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I mean, putting this book out, “Is COVID-19 a
Bioweapon?” I'm not going to get pats on the back.
The U.S. federal government is not going to say, "Richard,
that was a good thing for you to do. Thank you for doing that. Thank you
for being an honest, upstanding scientist, physician, attorney."
They're not going to do that. I don't expect them to do that because you know
what? These people committed crimes and criminals, real, real honest to God
criminals don't want you to know what they've done. If you want to know if
somebody is a criminal and I'd check to see whether they tell you about what's
happened and if they do, they're probably not a criminal, right?
Criminals hide stuff. These people have been hiding stuff for decades and they
don't want you to know about it, and they don't want you to talk about it.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
You're going to have to accept responsibility
that if you're a student, you may not go to that college you wanted to go to
because they've decided they want to force things on you. I did a presentation
in Fort Worth, a little bit more than a week ago here now. And this mother, so
I was done and I was leaving, and I had security around me and I can see this
woman in the back of my eye running down the street after me. And I thought, I
don't think she's here to attack me. And I could see, she was, so I stopped.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
She ran up to me and she said, "I just I
have to tell you, my son just gave up a $200,000 sports scholarship to attend
the four-year college that he’d always wanted to go to." And they were
going to go to an in-state college, which wasn't going to be nearly the
glamour, and he was given up $200,000, right? But they made that decision. They
made the decision. This comes with hard
questions that really kind of shakes the core
of us, but it also answers that question to that sign that I'm sure you've seen
copies of as well as I have. If you ever wondered what you would have done in
1930s Germany? Today, you know.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
That's right. So, I want to go a little
deeper in the legal proceedings that you're participating in or planning on
overseas in Italy and in the U.S. and give us an update on what they can be.
And I think you mentioned the bioweapons treaty. I
think that was authored by Francis Boyle, who I've interviewed a few times
already last year. He was my first insights. I mean, we kind of blew the
whistle on gain-of-function in February of 2020, which was early on, or
definitely early on. But he authored that specifically, the penalty is not
death interestingly, if you violate that treaty. It's a lifetime imprisonment,
because he's not a fan of the death penalty.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
But is that the primary treaty that you're
going to be looking at or is it the Nuremberg or the Helsinki? And what is the
plan and where are we at and what are your projections as to the timing on it?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, so to answer the latter part, the time
plan is for anybody who's been an attorney or I guess, gone to court, where the
answer it's always up to the judges how long they want to take.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
You have that nice little privilege. So, it's
actually all of the above. It has to do with the Biological Weapons Convention
treaty. It has to do with the Nuremberg Code. It has to do with the Declaration
of Helsinki. It has to do with the International Covenant on Civil and
Political Rights as well as any other statutes that come up.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
But what you do initially is you file cases
in the International Criminal Court (ICC). And the United States seems to think
that just because it didn't ratify the ICC that U.S. citizens cannot be held
accountable, and that would be incorrect. Although it's a nice fantasy if
you're living in that world, and you think that's what's going to protect you.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
The court then and there's several cases that
have already been filed with the ICC. The court gets to decide then what it
wants to do if it wants to launch an investigation, and at this stage of the
process, these people are referred to as perpetrators. Not exactly a very nice
term when you think about it. And the goal would be to get the ICC to do their
responsibility and recognize their place in history because-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
And what does the ICC stand for?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
International Criminal Court. It's in the Hague.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
And you do believe that they are impartial
and objective, or have they been corrupted like much of the other judicial
systems?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I believe that there have still, look, if
they're totally corrupt then there's not much we can do about that, from that
point of view, okay? But that doesn't mean you've never seen me if you knew me
as an individual, you realize I don't roll over on anything. This is where I
proudly recognize my Viking blood heritage, bloodline and Vikings just don't
roll over for you. I don't think any Viking ever rolled over for anybody. And
I'm certainly not going to be the first one bloodline to do so.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, it doesn't really matter how long this
takes or to whom this has to go, but I'm a firm believer that there are enough
good, honest people on this planet that if the people communicate and work
together, the tide on this can and will be turned. There's a group of Italian
physicians that are meeting next week that I did a recording earlier for today.
That has been sent to them, so they have enough time to put subtitles in
Italian on the bottom of it. And it's a group of Italian physicians who feel
like they're going up against this massive part of the Italian government and
being coerced in the same way that we feel in this country.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
And I'll tell you that this is the same story
all over the world. All the people that I talked to in the different countries
that I've been working with have the same feeling. They're coerced. Their citizens
are being bribed, which, as a side note, anytime the government has to bribe
the people to do it, you have to say, "If it was really a good idea-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
They'd pay for it.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
"-why would you have to bribe me? I wouldn't be lining up for it." I'm the ultimate,
I think, research scientist. After 53 years, I really feel very strongly about
being a scientist-physician. And I am incredibly offended when Anthony Fauci says he is science because he's not. I mean, I've met
some of the very best people in science. I've been privileged to be trained by
some of the very best people in the history of science and hopefully, would do
them honor in the end.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
But the perspective that a scientist has to
manipulate and bribe real science. If these
things, if these drug vaccines actually worked and there was scientific
evidence, I'd be on here telling you to take it. What you're hearing me tell
you is, "Don't take it." These things are biological weapons. They're
nothing more than a genetic code of a biological weapon that was made, that was
paid for, and put together by nefarious people.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Just curious, prior to COVID, were you a
believer in vaccines? And were you up-to-date on your immunizations?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah, I'm not anti-vax.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
That's what I thought. And you've gotten
them?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah. Many of them.
I mean, I don't get influenza vaccines, because-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It doesn't make sense.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Look, I mean, it changes year after year
after year. I get exposed to people. I do what I did as a kid and then I
develop my immune response to it, T-cells and antibodies and memory cells, and
I'm good to go, okay. You know what I mean? I mean, my patients in hospitals
have shared some of the worst diseases with me and pneumonias that I could ever
not want to have gotten, but I survived it and, and moved forward because okay,
functional immune system. I understand other people have immune problems and
need to be cautious in other ways and should be so. But these vaccines are not
doing anything for those individuals as well. No, I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm
anti-stupid.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay. Good way to be. Well, it's interesting
because Robert Malone, obviously the co-founder of the mRNA platform technology
and Peter McCullough were both – I mean, Malone was vaccinologist
and he reached a different conclusion on this, this whole process of what
they're doing, so. And you're in his camp. So, you've done a great job by
putting this all together. So, you're a wealth of information, and I'm just so
excited that you're leading the charge to fight this thing in legal terms. How
many other attorneys are joining you in this process?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
So, because of the fact that I'm the expert
witness for the ICC, I cannot be the attorney filing the case. You can't be the
attorney and the expert witness. It just turns out I'm one of the expert
witnesses, so there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 attorneys and possibly, a
seventh attorney. So, there are currently six countries coalescing for a joint
case that they'll be able to tell more about. The Italians have their own case.
I know that I've been working with several attorneys in the U.S. to try to get
cases going on in this country.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I've been very successful in getting a lot of
exemptions for people using the form that I put on FlemingMethod.com. But
there's only one of me, and I can't do this for all of you, so I put this
exemption on there with bold font that says, "Insert your material
here."
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah, great. Well, that's a great service, because a lot of people
will use it. But ultimately, they may have to accept the consequences that they
may have to decide not to attend the scholastic institution, which could be a
blessing in disguise, even that one student who had denied or not accepted his
$200,000 scholarship. I mean, it may have been an institution that could have
ruined them for life. You don't know, especially what they're teaching in
colleges nowadays. It's just, it's not the same when
we went to school. It really wasn't.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Dramatically changed, dramatically changed.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
If you look at the funding of this vaccine,
and this virus and the people blocking the drugs. And you ask the question, “Who's giving a lot of money
to these universities?” Many times it's the same people. So, why would you want
to go to a university that is being funded by people who are trying to
manipulate you? And if they're manipulating you, they're manipulating your
family, too. So, I realized that the kids going to university are in their 20s,
but they're adults. And they care about their parents, they care about their
siblings, they care about their grandparents and other people who are close to
them and family and friends. And I don't think they want to see their friends
manipulated any more than anyone else.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
One of the things I do want to make a comment
on now is for the people that have not been vaccinated. When you're looking at
the people that have been vaccinated, step back for just a moment and recognize
that many of those people got vaccinated because they were told that this was
the only way to protect the people that they loved. And what we need to do is
have the intelligence and the compassion necessary to look at those individuals
and say, "I got it. No judgment." If there's a shedding problem or
something like that that you're dealing with, there are treatments that are
available that you can look at. I put those on the website, too.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
But you come together, support those people
because they were just doing what they thought was right. And for many of them,
they are so scared, and they have been made so scared. By the way, what type of
country, what type of world, but what type of country spends so much effort
frightening the blazes out of its citizens? That says something.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, fear is one of the most absolutely
powerful and motivating triggers for the limbic system, and it is absolutely
essential if they're going to implement this strategy.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah. Amazing.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It's the most critical part of the propaganda
campaign, is fear. There's no question about it.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah. May the odds be ever in your favor.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. So it's no surprise, and I hold no
judgment against those individuals either because this is, as I said, it's
likely, it probably, it is the most effective propaganda campaign in the
history of humanity. And it's hard to blame someone when they're under that
type of assault. I mean, an individual isn't enlightened enough to seek
informed opinions elsewhere and they're just listening to the media. And the
people they trust and the politicians and public health officials, they're
going to get a consistent message that convinces them that they need to get this.
And how could you argue with that? I mean, that's a rational choice, so.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Yeah. The next time somebody tries to force
you or your friends to get vaccinated, I would like your listeners to go to the
website and tell them to pull out the EUA documents, and have the people read
those EUA documents and prove that there's a benefit to these vaccines. And
then, I want them to go to the book, “Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?”
And I want them to read the truth about where this came from.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Well, the book,” Is COVID-19 a Bioweapon?” But I think even more importantly, because,
I've always, I've written a large number of books now. And it was always,
before I wrote my first one, I was always reluctant to do it because I had the
website and it says, "I don't want to write a book because it's out of
date so soon." I mean, but by the time you've written and published it, I
mean, things have changed so pretty dramatically in many cases.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So, I think, in your case, I mean, it's great
to have that as a resource and documentation of the fraud that's been going on.
But your website is phenomenal, especially providing this form for people to at
least have a hope of getting an exemption from these mandatory vaccines that
are being forced upon them. So, thank you for doing that.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Thank you. Yeah, thank you.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. And it's FlemingMethod.com?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Right.
F-L-E-M-I-N-G M-E-T-H-O-D, no space in between dot-com, so just one M in
Fleming, no stuttering.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah. There you go. It's good. It's very good. All right. Any last words?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I'm sorry? You cut out for a moment.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I'm sorry. Any last words
that you'd like to share or comments?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
No, I think-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Reinforce something?
Dr. Richard Fleming:
I think there's a
lot of people that are very concerned that things have gone south, so to speak.
And I'm actually encouraged. One of the things that I've noticed about being
here in Dallas and in Texas, is that common sense has
not died. And it may be that it's our most useful treatment for SARS-CoV-2 and
COVID-19. And the vaccines and everything going on is the common sense that
people want. I know that this is, sometimes people think of it as a complex
topic, because people weren't aware of viruses really that much before all of
this happened. But what I've repeatedly gotten from people is don't dumb it
down.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
It's not a matter of turning people into
Ph.D.s, MDs or whatever, it's a matter of just being
truthful and honest with them. And people have a real good capacity, when they
get away from
all the
nonsense happening to look at the truth and realize it's the truth and to
listen to nonsense being thrown at them and realize that it's just garbage and
manipulation. So, common sense is a real useful tool for everybody to have.
That and compassion. Real compassion, not this fake-pretend
compassion that people talk so much about.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, I couldn't agree more, but
unfortunately, it's a bit of a challenge to exercise common sense when you've
been inundated with propaganda and it's actively engaged and responding to the
fear of this constant pressure. And then compounded with in many communities
being forced into isolation, which is another strategy for propaganda. They
isolate people. And so it's not for the fear of contagion. This was done
intentionally to amplify the propaganda impact.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
People from talking to each other, stop them
exchanging ideas. Everybody knows that we used to, now
I'm saying like, it's something that won't happen again, but it will. We used
to frequently sit down and have conversations with families and friends where
you'd argue back and forth and you discuss things. And I can't be the only
person that would walk away from a conversation and go, "Well, I hadn't
really thought about that. Let me think about that" because that's kind of
a different point of view. But that exchange stopped when they quarantined
people, when they isolated us, and then they put us in our homes. And they
controlled what you could see on the Internet and on television,
that stopped.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
Well, we've come far enough back out of it, that that exchange has started again, and people have
had to fight, literally fight to get that information out. But it's that
sharing of information and knowledge that is so critical to turning this
around, and actually bringing all of this nonsense under control. Not just the
virus, but the manipulation of people that has been going on and the lies and
the deceit and the abuse of power and they used their money to do it. They used
our lives to do it. They used our livelihoods to do it.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Well, it's probably one, probably, I
believe it is that the most significant challenge on almost every one of us
will face. It was forced upon us and requires a response one way or the other.
And we're deeply appreciative of the work that you're committing to this to
help those of us who aren't as skilled as you in these areas to compile the
resources to address this in some way. So, thank you so much for what you've
done.
Dr. Richard Fleming:
My pleasure. Thank you.